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US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« on: February 04, 2009, 07:00:54 pm »
Tim, If the requirements for the use of assets are met, and approved by NVC, why would they not be accepted by the embassy at the interview.

What requirements does the embassy need to see in order for assets to be used? What would be acceptable?

I think this is valueable and important information. Is it possible to submit this to Mr. Bent ?
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US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« on: February 04, 2009, 07:00:54 pm »

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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2009, 03:14:26 pm »
Yes, this is a great idea. I will let Bill answer this, but essentially, they have to be mostly liquid (cash) so things like your house generally would be tough to count since you cannot turn it into cash quickly.

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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2009, 03:27:25 pm »
This is from the instructions:

Only assets that can be converted into cash within one yearand without considerable hardship or financial loss to theowner may be included. The owner of the asset must includea description of the asset, proof of ownership, and the basis for the owner's claim of its net cash value.

Now the NVC may be reading this AS IS therefore approving the assets as sufficient income

Now the CO .. may interpret this differently as he/she is the one that has to ensure that the benficiary will not be a public charge

So they may have different criteria

For example: 

Employed & Assets OK
Unemployed & Assets NOT OK

But yes definitely something that Mr. Bent hopefully can clarify

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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 03:29:14 pm »
This is from the instructions:

Only assets that can be converted into cash within one yearand without considerable hardship or financial loss to theowner may be included. The owner of the asset must includea description of the asset, proof of ownership, and the basis for the owner's claim of its net cash value.

Now the NVC may be reading this AS IS therefore approving the assets as sufficient income

Now the CO .. may interpret this differently as he/she is the one that has to ensure that the benficiary will not be a public charge

So they may have different criteria

For example: 

Employed & Assets OK
Unemployed & Assets NOT OK

But yes definitely something that Mr. Bent hopefully can clarify



Thanks for quoting the source as usual.  :D

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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2009, 03:45:39 pm »
Thanks Tim and Ma, I appreciate that this could be cleared up.

I had read this from the AOS.  Anything that could be converted to cash ..... meaning it would not as of yet need to be liquid funds.
This is what has me puzzled .... what then, would be considered acceptable assets?
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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2009, 05:31:04 pm »
If I can, I wanted to continue to quote ....

You may include the net value of your home as an asset. The net value of the home is the appraised value of the home,minus the sum of any and all loans secured by a mortgage,trust deed, or other lien on the home. If you wish to includethe net value of your home, this, you must include documentation demonstrating that you own it, a recent appraisal by a licensed appraiser, and evidence of the amount of any and all loans secured by a mortgage, trust deed, or other lien on the home. You may not include the net value an automobile unless you show that you have more than one automobile, and at least one automobile is not included as an asset.
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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2009, 06:06:34 pm »
If I can, I wanted to continue to quote ....

You may include the net value of your home as an asset. The net value of the home is the appraised value of the home,minus the sum of any and all loans secured by a mortgage,trust deed, or other lien on the home. If you wish to includethe net value of your home, this, you must include documentation demonstrating that you own it, a recent appraisal by a licensed appraiser, and evidence of the amount of any and all loans secured by a mortgage, trust deed, or other lien on the home. You may not include the net value an automobile unless you show that you have more than one automobile, and at least one automobile is not included as an asset.

Thank you Ange

Let's hope Mr. Bent answers but I think it has alot to do with the status of employment of the petitioner
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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 02:42:44 am »
You really have addressed the issue well.  It is true that if you are using assets, they need to be easily converted into cash.  Please also note that NVC, whenaccepting the AOS are NOT making a decision on whether the applicant would be a public charge. It really is in the end up to the judgement of the consular officer.  For example, even if an applicant meets the povert income guidelines, other factors (health issues of the applicant, for example) could lead the consular officer to conclude that the applicant would be a public charge.  That said, we really are fairly flexible here, and whenever possible we go ahead and grant the visa.  I know there was a recent case where the aplicant had additional assets, maybe that is what triggered this question.  I'll make sure the officers are applying the law correctly regarding the assets.

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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 04:05:17 am »
Makes a little more sense now, especially with the net value of a home.

Thanks for alway helping out, Mr. Bent!

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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 04:58:46 am »
Thank you Mr. Bent for clarifying the situation.

Would it be safe to suggest that eventhough the NVC accepts the I-864 with assets to meet the poverty guidelines that an additonal I-864 with co-sponsor with INCOME  be taken to the interview "just in case". As this would be an individuals interpretation (CO) of the petitioner's case. And as we all know every case is different and has many variables.

Better to be safe than sorry
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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2009, 05:40:51 am »
Thank you Mr. Bent for clarifying the situation.

Would it be safe to suggest that eventhough the NVC accepts the I-864 with assets to meet the poverty guidelines that an additonal I-864 with co-sponsor with INCOME  be taken to the interview "just in case". As this would be an individuals interpretation (CO) of the petitioner's case. And as we all know every case is different and has many variables.

Better to be safe than sorry
  I would only do that if the actual income is below the poverty guidelines or if the applicant has some medical condition that may make him/her a public charge.  As I said, we are fairly flexible and try to issue when possible.  I don't think we are holding too many people up because of this.

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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2009, 05:48:26 am »
Thank you Mr. Bent for clarifying the situation.

Would it be safe to suggest that eventhough the NVC accepts the I-864 with assets to meet the poverty guidelines that an additonal I-864 with co-sponsor with INCOME  be taken to the interview "just in case". As this would be an individuals interpretation (CO) of the petitioner's case. And as we all know every case is different and has many variables.

Better to be safe than sorry
  I would only do that if the actual income is below the poverty guidelines or if the applicant has some medical condition that may make him/her a public charge.  As I said, we are fairly flexible and try to issue when possible.  I don't think we are holding too many people up because of this.

Thank you for the quick response

We only had one case so far that I know of. Just looking to prevent any others ;)
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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2009, 11:05:42 am »
Thank you Mr. Bent for clarifying the situation.

Would it be safe to suggest that eventhough the NVC accepts the I-864 with assets to meet the poverty guidelines that an additonal I-864 with co-sponsor with INCOME  be taken to the interview "just in case". As this would be an individuals interpretation (CO) of the petitioner's case. And as we all know every case is different and has many variables.

Better to be safe than sorry
  I would only do that if the actual income is below the poverty guidelines or if the applicant has some medical condition that may make him/her a public charge.  As I said, we are fairly flexible and try to issue when possible.  I don't think we are holding too many people up because of this.

Thank you for the quick response

We only had one case so far that I know of. Just looking to prevent any others ;)



Thank you Mr. Bent for your response.

And, thank you Ma.
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Re: US CONSULATE / Regarding assets
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2009, 03:29:03 pm »
I am confused about the assest requirement as well.  I live here in DR, so I do not have a job in the US yet.  However, I have generate about 13000 dollars a year rent on a house a own.  Is that considered income?  i have enough assests, I would just like to show income, and I woudl like to know if that counts.

Also, since I am doing DCF, can I use my income from my work here iun DR?

Finally, my husband's assests count as well right?

Thanks! :domrep:

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2009, 12:30:53 pm »
Dominican income DOES NOT count as it will not continue once you immigrate to the US
The rental income does count if you can show that you reported this income on your 2008 taxes
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